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Are you talking for deer hunting? Or just plinking away. If it's just a youngster you can't beat a .22 to start on. Learning markmenship and gun safety would be the first priority. If you're talking deer hunting maybe a .243 or 30-30 to start with. Though I am not a fan of a .243 for deer hunting it is a great caliber to learn on and a perfect example of, " you'd better hit em where it counts." The 30-30 may be a little more forgiving on less than perfect shots. For a handgun I'd have to stick with the .22 as well. I love my little Browning Buckmark .22 and it's really accurate to boot. By far though, whatever gun they choose the first priority is gun safety and knowning every aspect of that particular gun and exactly how to use it properly. When my nephew was 8 I started to take him in the woods with a toy gun. We practiced gun safety every step of the way. Anytime that little wooden gun would be moved in an unsafe mannor I'd take it away and we'd walk straight out of the woods. He eventually moved up to a red rider, unloaded, to a air gun loaded to a .22. Now he's 12 and people can't believe how discipline he is for such a young hunter.
 

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BrowningA5 you are a very wise man..........

I posed the question to see what others thought........ the 22 is the best to learn on and the 30-30 is the best starting deer gun.

What about handguns?( yes 22's are fun ...but what about defense?)
 

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Funny you mention that because I have one strapped to me right now. Not a bad gun, reliable and shoots pretty straight. I am though, more partial to the colt which we used to have. I am also more partial to the MP-4 I carry as well!
 

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Carbine version of the M16.....5.56mm/500 meter effective range.

Any one hear when the new upper receivers and modifecations will be done for line units to get the new 6.8 x 44 conversions. Data supports a true improvement to the M16. Without having to go all the way to .308 Nato. The new round would make the M16 shoot a round comparable to a 270 Winchester!
 

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aroostookbasser said:
Carbine version of the M16.....5.56mm/500 meter effective range.
you described the M4.
Any one hear when the new upper receivers and modifecations will be done for line units to get the new 6.8 x 44 conversions. Data supports a true improvement to the M16. Without having to go all the way to .308 Nato. The new round would make the M16 shoot a round comparable to a 270 Winchester!
i didnt think the pentagon adopted it.
 

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Will not see standard useage.....being retained for special ops. Just curious about whether or not Browning had seen any experimental modifications to test in Afghanistan.

Have you read anything that says the Pentagon declined the 6.8....all I read is that it is "in the works". That's Military for you'll know it when we want you to.
 

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Latest news I have read on the 6.8 is that the military is giving it the thumbs down and therefore so is remington (the cartridge developer). Ammo production being scaled back and more difficult to get your hands on. If you want an assault rifle chamber for an intermediate cartridge, get an AK. By the way, ballistics on the 6.8 are more comparable to the Ak-47's 7.62x39, not that of the 7.62 NATO.
 

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Hey, Ithaca,

Glad you checked in. We've needed some good information on guns etc. I told them you were da man!
 

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Nice, keep up them studies but join in when you can.
 

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Ithaca: I was looking into a light recoiling round for my "green horn" wife. Read some test data about the ballistics of the early rounds. Looked to be a good load to breach the gap between the 243 class and the 270.

Any suggestions on a sub-30 caliber?
 
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