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Why dont this site have a swap hunt section?
I would think that you would get more outsiders involved that are just cruising by.
 

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I believe what he means is if someone in North Carolina would put me on a deer, turkey, or hog then I would put them on a deer, bear, etc.....
 

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Exactly, I visit forums from time to time to look for potential swaps, done it before by offering Bear or Deer for Turkey and met one of the most talented turkey hunters Ive ever seen. He should have his own TV show. I went to Up-state NY with a buddy and we both tagged out within 3 days, 2 birds each, the biggest being 25lbs and smallest 19lbs. He couldnt make it up to hunt with me that year, and offered a second trip the following year, another successfull hunt and a friendship is born, bear season comes around the favor is returned and the story goes on!!
 

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Ah, but you are helping someone to harvest a game animal and in Maine "money or any other compensation" for these type services constitutes guiding! I would hope anyone trying this would have a guide license for that activity.
IF&W could legally bust you for attempting such an act!
 

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Depend on who you talk too. I know sevral people that have done the swap thing and got it cleared with the local warden. But a different person (warden) might see it different. Long before Nate and I were guides, we took people all the time and then hunted thier dirt. Mat a lot of great people that way.
 

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I thought Guiding was if you charged them for it???

Maybe I am wrong but if I met somebody from the wonderful state of Massachussets and wanted to show them around in Maine so they can shoot a nice buck I wouldn't consider that Guiding.

But, a swap may be considered compensation. Not by money but by barter.

But honestly I don't know.
 

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The law States that a Guide is a person who recieves any form of remuneration for services provided.
Remuneration is considered wages or any form of.
Swaping hunting areas does not gain any sort of remuneration so it is considered a favor. Ive already talked that one out with a few wardens that I know, its a non-issue.
If you were trading guns, hunting equiptment etc... it can be turned into profit, so that would not fly!!
 

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What it boils down to is whether ANY warden would summons you for it, but I'd bet a 'C' note most of Maines (liberal) Judges would find you guilty if it got in their courtroom. Especially if it was advertised on a public forum!

Remember this, Maine Wardens have at least some days off, where a different Warden covers his territory. Are you willing to bet your IF&W licenses for 3 years or more?

Do what you will but Maine Guides are REQUIRED BY LAW to report any/all potentially illegal activities pertaining to fish and wildlife.


Def. of GUIDE; guide / gīd / • n. 1. a person who advises or shows the way to others:
2. a thing that helps someone to form an opinion or make a decision:
lead, lead the way to, conduct, show, usher, shepherd, direct, show the way to, pilot, steer, escort, accompany, convoy, attend. 2. guide the firm through its problems synonyms : control, direct, steer, manage, command.
 

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Cap'n that sounds like what I will do for my son. Am I therefore breaking the law when I advise, show, lead, usher, direct, steer, escort, accompany to my son when he can go hunting with me?

I am not sure about trading hunts and the laws around that. Just focusing on def of guide.
 

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Best case here is call the state and get it cleared in writing. The captian is right about the fact that it depends on who the warden is. However if you gwt it cleared in writing, I am sure you will have no problem.
 

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;) Yup, my buddy came up from Ohio to hunt with me and I went down there the next year to hunt with him, does that prove Im Guiding, I think not.
If thats the case, thousands would be guilty and you would here about at least one case from a disapointed hunter!!
I think your a little too critical Captn, easy now, were not trying to steal your business lol!!
 

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So crap how does any one get to come from out of state and hunt with a friend without getting in trouble. I think some states go off the deep end with all the rules, they fouces on the little things instead of the big picture but I guess it can't be all perfect is this crazy world
 

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Going hunting with a buddy is one thing, advertising that you are looking for 'new friends' to swap hunts with is another.

It's just another loophole until we have to listen to someone whine about getting busted and losing all their hunting & fishing priveledges.


As far as states "going off the deep end', it is folks who stretch the word of the law until it snaps back in their face and they wonder why they get busted. These are the ones to blame for the new laws and extreme fines.
I wonder how many would keep taking twice their limit of grouse if the penalty was perminant loss of all hunting and fishing.

How many would keep short trout or three times the limit if the penalty was a thousand dollars a fish? Would you complain about the penalty being too stiff? If you break the law and know you are breaking the law by stretching your interpritation of the law, you deserve what you get.

You want to do a hunt swap forum? Go for it!

As for stealing my business....you aint that good!
 

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Cap'n, I challenge you to call the Head Honcho at DIFW and ask him his opinion, then post the out come here and if I am wrong, I will give a full appology for doubting you. I will call as well, and we can compare notes to clear this matter up, sound fair?

As for not being as good as you, bragging that you are a better guide then one that you dont know makes you look desperate. That is in the top 10 for things not to do when trying to book clients. No offense, just trying to give you a heads up!!
 

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Mr Martin isn't the one sitting behind the big bench though.

Not bragging, re-read the line... "As for stealing my business....you aint that good!" I never said "you were not as good as me", don't know you well enough to say that!:)

What do you think my chances are at getting YOUR clients to hire me instead of you? Probably not too good, eh?;)

Comprehend what I write, no need to 'read' into it.

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An interesting point here is that a friend of mine got his guides license because he was teaching fly fishing for a major retailer. The schools or lessons were taking place in the field so when checked by a warden one day, he was informed that "on water instruction" was considered guiding and therefore a guides license is required.
 

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It is an interesting topic. And we all have good reasons to back up what we say. But at the end of the day, no one is really sure. I agree that a written response from the state is the best way to go.
Hunt swaps are all over the web now and very popular among hunters. Its a great way to save money and meet new people, but it is not worth breaking the law. I don't think that is the case, but I don't "think" that is the case. Let's check it out.
 

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I guess that if I had DIFW backing me, It would be good enough, it wouldnt make it to court, they have the say of if a guide has an infraction.
One of the wardens I spoke of before is as hard nose as they get, I went to school with him, so I get the low down on everything. I will still check it out with my local Judge as well, friend of the family as well:wink:

CC is totaly right, swaps are great tools to make new "friends", got to be carefull, not always a good fit, but good gut feelings usually pan out for me after a little homework.
 

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This is really sad... you can't even invite someone to share a day of hunting or fishing with you without the threat of prosecution.

No wonder why kids aren't getting involved in these activities.

I guess I'll continue to be a criminal.
 
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