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This is off of Ted Nugent's board...................................................................



The last few days have been an educational experience, to say the least. My ill-conceived inflammatory blog, as all of you now know, set off a firestorm that, I’m told, has never before been equaled. I’m not proud of that.
Let me say this at the outset. My words here are from the heart, and all mine. No one can censor me, and I answer to no one but myself. And I have no one to blame but myself. Outdoor Life, a magazine that I worked for full-time as Hunting Editor for almost 30 years, fired me yesterday. My TV show was cancelled yesterday. Many of my sponsors have issued statements on their website to sever all relationships. This may cause many of you to do backflips and dance in the streets, but, of course, I’m not laughing, nor am I looking for sympathy. I don’t want a pity party.

They say hindsight is golden. Looking back, I can’t believe I said the words “ban” and “terrorist” in the context that I did. I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I can explain this as sheer ignorance and an irresponsible use of words. What I’ve learned over the last few days has enlightened and amazed me. As a guy who hunts 200 days a year, does seminars on hunting, wrote for six hunting magazines, had a hunting TV show, and wrote 20 books on hunting, how could I have been so ignorant and out of touch with reality in the world of hunting and shooting?

But I was. I really can’t explain it, maybe because I just summarily dismissed the firearms in question in my mind when I saw them in magazines and catalogs. I saw one “black” firearm in a hunting camp in all my 50 years of hunting, and I shot one last year off a boat when fishing in Alaska. To tell the truth, it was fun and I enjoyed it immensely, but I never considered one for use in hunting. I have to tell you that I have had a revelation. I’m learning that many of my pals own AR-15’s and similar firearms and indeed use them for hunting. I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth.

My biggest regret is not the financial impact of all this. I’m almost 67 and retirement is an option. The dreadful impact here is that I inadvertently struck a spear into the hearts of the people I love most…America’s gun owners. And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges. I will continue to stand as firm on pro hunting as I’ve ever done. But what’s different now is that I’ll do all I can to educate others who are, or were, as ignorant as I was about “black” rifles and the controversy that surrounds them. My promise to you is that I’ll learn all I can about these firearms, and by the time this week is out, I’ll order one. The NUGE has invited me to hunt with him using AR-15’s, and I’m eager to go, and learn. I’ll do all I can to spread the word.

I understand that many of you will not accept this apology, believing that the damage has been done and there’s no way to repair it. You have that right. But let me say this. I mentioned this above, and I’ll repeat it. I’m willing to seize this opportunity to educate hunters and shooters who shared my ignorance. If you’re willing to allow me to do that, we can indeed, in my mind, form a stronger bond within our ranks. Maybe in a roundabout way we can bring something good out of this.

Jim Zumbo
 

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Uncle TED is one class act!

He could have tossed Jim out like the rest but instead he invites Mr. Zumbo to hunt with AR's and such with him. Ted Nugent didn't turn his back on someone who has done so much for hunting, he is trying to resolve the issue.

How many folks in all the forums have said they don't want to see them (assault weapons) in the woods or I don't think they should be used for hunting, essentially agreeing with Jim Zumbo's earlier statements?

The hunting industry has turned it's back on Jim for using his FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT, FREE SPEECH!


Ted Nugent IS ONE CLASS ACT! And Jim Zumbo aint a bad guy.
 

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Good guys make mistakes too. Too bad it cost him his job.
 

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God Jack! You're definately in the minority I think.
I never thought he was a bad guy after he screwed up. He just screwed up and like with anyone who has an opinion and speaks it, I respect it whether I agree or not.
The mistake he make was using the forum he had to voice his Constitutional right to say what's on his mind.
I agree that Nuge gave him an opportunity. I'm not sure what good it has done but as you said, someone's trying to mend the fences and move on.
 

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Jim Zumbo has done more for guns than one stupid comment can ever erase........ to heck with Outdoor Life !!!!! Go out and buy another copy of Jim's Books...... show him we can forgive and forget.
 

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In these soon to be trying days of Democratic rule in Washington... we certainly didn't need this.

My friends... this will be a long painful time for Mr. Zumbo and quite possibly for all gun owner.

Clinton, Biden, Schumer, Kennedy, Feinstein, Nadler, Slaughter, Conyers, Rangel, and the rest of the gun grabbers most sure are dancing in the street.

I think this statement by a high profile gun enthusiest and celebrity may cost us a lot of difficulties.

It's truly amazing how a man could attack the same industry that afforded him his livilihood and elitest lifestyle.

I'm sorry, but I believe he got what he deserved and we'll be seeing and hearing more about his comments in the near distant future.

Unfortunately it will probably be by the anti-gun groups.
 

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Wow. I am glad that many people don't care what I think. I have met Mr. Zumbo several times and he always seemed like a nice guy. He loves Maine by the way. He made a mistake about a position in the industry. I read his comments and although extreme, he did bring up some valid arguements. His basic point was that he did not think it was such a hot idea to hunt with assult rifles. The big money gun industry did not like the perspective.

I would dare say that public opinion might change if next November everyone traded the ole 760 meatmaster in for an AK-47 to deer hunt. I think it is an extreme view to say that the state should outlaw them, to each his own. I don't see any thing wrong with pointing out that my howa 1500 was drawn up to kill deer....... not people.
 

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Wow. I am glad that many people don't care what I think. I have met Mr. Zumbo several times and he always seemed like a nice guy. He loves Maine by the way. He made a mistake about a position in the industry. I read his comments and although extreme, he did bring up some valid arguements. His basic point was that he did not think it was such a hot idea to hunt with assult rifles. The big money gun industry did not like the perspective.

I would dare say that public opinion might change if next November everyone traded the ole 760 meatmaster in for an AK-47 to deer hunt. I think it is an extreme view to say that the state should outlaw them, to each his own. I don't see any thing wrong with pointing out that my howa 1500 was drawn up to kill deer....... not people.


I'm sure Zumbo is a nice guy and I feel kind of sorry for him, however he should have done some thinking before he wrote those comments. I believe that Zumbo's big mistake was calling "assault" rifles terrorist weapons. They are not my cup of tea either, but my son likes them and owns 2. He is certainly not a terrorist, and I would guess that virtually all other owners of those types of rifles are not terrorists either. However, many gun haters think they are, and that EVERY gun owner is a danger to society as well. To the anti gunner's delight, Zumbo, unintentionally I'm sure, is doing their work from the inside. Remember, your hunting rifle is no better in an anti gunner's eyes than is an M16. They want all of our guns. First, our assault rifles, then our handguns, then our hunting rifles, then our shotguns. We gotta stand together. When a well known voice chooses to seperate gun owners into us good gun owners and them bad gun owners it adds fuel to their fire.
 

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swnoel, I am glad YOU have NEVER made a life changing mistake! I'm glad you are such a forgiving person as well!

Yes Jim's timing was bad, and his word could have been better-chosen, but should we hang the man?
In this world of "tolerence" a lot of people sure have a short fuse!


Chris, I do care about your opinion & I thank you for sharing with us.
 

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swnoel, I am glad YOU have NEVER made a life changing mistake! I'm glad you are such a forgiving person as well!

Yes Jim's timing was bad, and his word could have been better-chosen, but should we hang the man?
In this world of "tolerence" a lot of people sure have a short fuse!


Chris, I do care about your opinion & I thank you for sharing with us.
Cap'n

This isn't about me... I'm not a celebrity hunter who's made my rather lucrative living and got an elitist lifestyle from an industry that is under constant attack by the news media and zealots in Washington.

I don't know Jim Zumbo and maybe he is a nice guy, but this industry doesn't need this type of spokesman .

I think, what happened here was shock to those in the industry and in the public, they actually thought Jim Zumbo was on their side.

Don't forget... he was paid by this industry to support and promote the shooting sports and hunting.

Jim Zumbo's stance and statement will undoubtably be used by the anti-gun in their fight to abolish the Second Amendment and limit the freedoms of law abiding citizens.

I'm sorry Cap'n... with all due respect, I just can't agree with you to forgive Jim Zumbo and pretend it didn't happen.
 

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I don't think Capn is suggesting we pretend it didn't happen but I'll defer to him on that.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that JZ has a right provided him under the Constitution to free speech. Nobody has taken that right away from him. He is still in a position to continue voicing his opinion.

What he did have a right to do and the circumstances under which he chose to excercise that right, is where he made his mistake. For that he is paying. He had to be responsible to the ones paying his way. He broke that trust and overstepped his bounds.

That's it!

Some choose to accept the events, sympathize with the man for screwing up, forgive because he's human and move on. That doesn't mean that we will not discuss this issue, learn from it and make ourselves stronger in our ally to stop the gun grabbers.

Many of us feel the need to distance ourselves from Zumbo because already the anti-gunners are using what Zumbo said to their advantage. This is natural.

Personally, I think it was better that if these are truly the thoughts and feelings of Jim Zumbo and how he lines up on the 2nd Amendment, I'm glad it came out now, so we can gather ourselves and move on as it appears that under different leadership in this country, guns is going to be an issue.

The real test of the man will come down the road when we all see how Mr. Zumbo deals with this event. Will he rise above it and be a better man or will he succumb and melt into the woodwork and disappear?
 

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I think this is good healthy dicussion.

Maine Boy wrote:
"First, our assault rifles, then our handguns, then our hunting rifles, then our shotguns. We gotta stand together."

I agree, I think it would have been better to pull Jim aside, show him that he was wrong and see him change his stance.

I think that we , as hunters and an industry, are sending a much worst messege than Jim Z ever could have. That we are willing to throw one of our own to the dogs becouse he had an opinion outside the norm.

We spend millions to change the opinions of people tht will most likely never change how they feel. Here amoung our own, we didn't even try.

I relize that Jim was sponsored by gun companies and made his living promoting guns. To me, that does not mean he has to leave his opinions at the door. The people that we fight to show how much we value our rights, can now see how little we care about other rights.

I also relizr that the antis don't see a differance between my howa and an M-16. However I keep the numbers in mind. 10% of us love to hunt, 10 hate it and 80% could swing with the tide. Send 180,000 mainers to the woods next fall with M-16s and see if it does not create a problem. The reality is that if it was an AK-47 in the back window as you rode through town, it would raise an eye browe or two.

It is preception vs. reality. The reality is that the people with these guns, like your sons, may be some of the finest people on this earth. But what would be the preception of the 80%. Jim Z should have brought this matter up as "food for thought" and not suggested it be outlawed.

I a almost never one to talk philosophy or politics, I am just not happy about this whole thing, there are no winers.
 

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Cap'n

This isn't about me... I'm not a celebrity hunter who's made my rather lucrative living and got an elitist lifestyle

Jealous? The man has worked his ass off getting where he is today. He's got 20 years on me and I just plain don't want to work THAT hard! He made it by working 24/7 for 40+ years, not at a 9 to 5 JOB.


I don't know Jim Zumbo and maybe he is a nice guy, but this industry doesn't need this type of spokesman .

What, an HONEST man with a different opinion? Apparently the first mistake he's made in over forty years!


I think, what happened here was shock to those in the industry and in the public, they actually thought Jim Zumbo was on their side.

Jim IS ON their side. He just got sucked into the media hype with the "terroist" thing.

Don't forget... he was paid by this industry to support and promote the shooting sports and hunting.

No, he was paid for his "intellectual property" i.e. his writings, and such. He got paid to advertise products for companies. He got paid to produce TV shows.


Jim Zumbo's stance and statement will undoubtably be used by the anti-gun in their fight to abolish the Second Amendment and limit the freedoms of law abiding citizens.

Probably so, but what's done is done. Can't change that.


I'm sorry Cap'n... with all due respect, I just can't agree with you to forgive Jim Zumbo and pretend it didn't happen.

You don't have to agree with me and I'm not asking anyone to pretend it didn't happen.
No need to be sorry, you have your opinion and I have mine, as do most folks on here. It is our right to free speech. There is no law that states we all have to agree.

What we all should take from this happening is to be cautious and careful of what we say.
 

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Many of us are feeling the betrayal from a man we thought represented our thoughts and beliefs .

What he did was akin to a dog biting the hand that feeds him.

I'm not disputing his First Amendment rights, he affords the same rights as we all ,to his opinion, but he is held in higher esteem that the rest of us, that's the price you pay, for being such a public figure.

Jim Zumbo represented the firearm industry along with the shooting and hunting industry to the world.

I do sympathise with him, his public opinion has created a firestorm for himself and firearm advocates that will become painful.

Many will simply choose to forget what he said, but most assurably the anti-gun groups won't.

It's unfortunate that his engage mouth before brain has caused him loss of his career and respect by many.

I think we all may agree, we need to stick together, but right here in Maine there are organized sportsman groups chosing a different direction, but that's another story!
 

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I have been very quiet since this happened and haven't voiced my opinion as of yet.

I agree that it is human to err. I know that we all make mistakes. But I also believe that even if we are sincere about our mistakes sometimes we still have to face the consequences whether we like it or not.

I do think Jim Zumbo definitely deserves a 2nd chance as we all do... but I don't think it will happen. He is facing the consequences of his actions.

I personally believe we all have the right to free speech but that doesn't automatically eliminate our consequences that face our freedom to do such.

Just like any freedom... there is always a price to pay. For freedom soldiers die. That is a sacrifice. As the old saying goes... freedom is not free.

I look at this situation in the same way. Yes, Jim exercised his free speech and yet he paid the consequence for doing so. Jim also had the freedom to not say anything. That is his right.

It's like I have the freedom to tell Capt Jack his fishing is terrible. But beware there are probably consequences like him decking me and plunging me overboard his boat. :gitrdone:

Or I have the freedom to tell my boss how I feel. Will I get fired? More than likely. So I think this is less of a freedom of speech issue but how he chose to use his freedom that got him into trouble and is now paying the price for his decision.

There are those all along the spectrum. Some what to crucify him on a cross in front of the entire hunting and shooting world. Others think people are over reacting.

Personally, I am a man who likes to give people the benefit of the doubt and give 2nd chances. Unfortunately I think I am in the minority on this (as most things).

But other than that I don't really have much of an opinion. :p
 

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This is a copy of the blog Jim Zumbo wrote for those that haven't read it.



Assault Rifles For Hunters?

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.
 

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I think if he left out the bold words he would have been fine. But then again... it would have been a pointless article.... My point is that there are a lot of words in here that got him into trouble. It wasn't just the terrorist remark.

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Assault Rifles For Hunters?


As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.
 
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