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This was talked about on another thread about mandatory guides for out of state hunters. This proposal is for alien hunters being required to hire a guide.
This one has been sent to committee.
Bill sponsors: Representative THERIAULT of Madawaska Cosponsored By: Representative AYOTTE of Caswell
Representative CLARK of Millinocket
Representative GIFFORD of Lincoln
Representative HARLOW of Portland
Representative JACKSON of Allagash
Representative LUNDEEN of Mars Hill
Senator MARTIN of Aroostook
Representative PEOPLES of Westbrook
Representative SUTHERLAND of Chapman


An Act To Require Alien Big Game Hunters To Be Accompanied by a Guide
Be it enacted by the People of the State of Maine as follows:
Sec. 1. [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Georgia,serif]12 MRSA §11224 [/FONT] is enacted to read:
§ 11224. Hunting big game without a guide
An alien is guilty of hunting big game without a guide if that person hunts big game without being accompanied on the hunt by a person who holds a valid guide license pursuant to chapter 927 authorizing that person to act as a hunting guide.
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This bill would make it illegal for a person who is not a citizen of the United States to hunt big game without being accompanied by a licensed guide.
 

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damn i knew we had aliens in this state. how do you guide one of them little varmints with 2 heads and 6 legs. LOL strings
 

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Carefully, but watch out they can fly away on bicycles!
 

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Sorry...... I feel safer knowing that some of these "OUT OF THE AREA YAHOOS" are being led around by a local...... It's pretty scary out there with all these over-oranged road cruisers. I saw a group from vermont last fall.... had to be about eight guys. Three trucks filled running all out around #9 lake. Looking for a deer too stupid to stay just a few feet inside the tree line. in the three days they were in my area they were only out of the trucks long enough to pee and pick up a couple of partridge. I guarantee this group would have gotten lost in a bathtub........
 

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Sorry........... It's pretty scary out there with all these over-oranged road cruisers. I saw a group from vermont last fall.... had to be about eight guys. Three trucks filled running all out around #9 lake. Looking for a deer too stupid to stay just a few feet inside the tree line. in the three days they were in my area they were only out of the trucks long enough to pee and pick up a couple of partridge. I guarantee this group would have gotten lost in a bathtub........
What's funny is about 30% of MAINERS hunt like this except they have a couple thirty packs in the back!
What is scarey is the fact that these yahoos from vermont probably HAD a guide with them.
 

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Just for clarification, a Vermont resident is NOT an alien but we get your point(s).
 

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Once again, I get you point!!:shhh:
 

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Its a great idea to require a Licence Guide for aliens hunting in Maine or in any State in the US for that matter.

Why limit this only to hunting. Most tenderfoots get lost in the woods while "Treking" thats hiking to you all. They dont even have to buy a fish & Game licence but get to use all the resources like helicopter rescue and tie up the Game wardens resources.

Lets make it Mandatory for hiring a licenced Maine Guide for any recreational activity that is not encapsulated by boundrys (Golf, Downhill Sking and Stock car racing excempt of course)

Activities such as Llhama Trecking, X country Skiing, Mountain Biking, Kayacking etc. will now require permits available by the day of course.


Illegal aliens: MUST Hire Master Maine Guides! of course we get to collect a bounty when we turn them in to I.N.S.
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Its a great idea to require a Licence Guide for aliens hunting in Maine or in any State in the US for that matter.

Why limit this only to hunting. Most tenderfoots get lost in the woods while "Treking" thats hiking to you all. They dont even have to buy a fish & Game licence but get to use all the resources like helicopter rescue and tie up the Game wardens resources.

Lets make it Mandatory for hiring a licenced Maine Guide for any recreational activity that is not encapsulated by boundrys (Golf, Downhill Sking and Stock car racing excempt of course)

Activities such as Llhama Trecking, X country Skiing, Mountain Biking, Kayacking etc. will now require permits available by the day of course.


Illegal aliens: MUST Hire Master Maine Guides! of course we get to collect a bounty when we turn them in to I.N.S.
:cool:

I think this would be great news, especially the part you left out about licensed guides not charging any fees for their services.

Where do I sign up...:gitrdone:
 

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This scorpion's tail is going to sting you in the pocket book.

Its a great idea to require a Licence Guide for aliens hunting in Maine or in any State in the US for that matter.

Why limit this only to hunting. Most tenderfoots get lost in the woods while "Treking" thats hiking to you all. They dont even have to buy a fish & Game licence but get to use all the resources like helicopter rescue and tie up the Game wardens resources.

Lets make it Mandatory for hiring a licenced Maine Guide for any recreational activity that is not encapsulated by boundrys (Golf, Downhill Sking and Stock car racing excempt of course)

Activities such as Llhama Trecking, X country Skiing, Mountain Biking, Kayacking etc. will now require permits available by the day of course.


Illegal aliens: MUST Hire Master Maine Guides! of course we get to collect a bounty when we turn them in to I.N.S.
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Say what you mean! You mean CANADIAN hunters........not alien hunters. Doubt if many Dutch, Japanese, Chinese, Rusky hunters are driving to Maine to hunt this coming fall. One thing I like about Americans is their directness.......they usually say what they mean......what happened this time?

Chuckle away guys but there are some problems:

1) Laws like the alien guide law punish hotels, bars, restaurants and business establishments where foreign aliens like me would normally do business because the alien hunters will just move on to a more hospitable state that would love to have their money. You don't garner business by insulting people.

2) Guides in Maine will suffer loss of business that will be going to guides in other states who welcome the cash flow from Canadian hunters. I for one won't be hunting in Maine until the law is repealed and I'm one of the Canuck aliens that can afford a guide and I usually hire one as I did in 2007 (Oxbow Lodge).........but it'll be one in a state with more hospitable laws in 2008. Already have my deer and moose hunts booked in New Hampshire. And that's too bad because I love the State of Maine and all the wonderful people and would love to continue to do business in Maine but some short sighted people "got to" some short sighted legislators and screwed things up.

3) Punitive laws like the guide law that are based on discrimination make for bad feelings which will cause the affected Canadian hunters to petition their own Provincial legislatures for similar laws forbidding American alien hunters to hunt unless they are accompanied by Canadian guides and 2 wrongs definitely don't make a right in this kind of situation. It will just sour the whole North American hunting mix.........just because some Canuck phobic Maine lobbyists and the legislators that listened to their poison couldn't see the big picture.

Think you're going to gain where it counts at the cash till........Believe me.......Just the opposite will happen..........Expect a serious loss of business for Maine guides and other businesses that depend on the fall deer and moose hunts until the discriminatory and insulting alien (CANADIAN) guide law is repealed.

In case you haven't heard there's an economic recession on in the land of the Red, White & Blue. Those badly needed Canuck dollars won't be landing in Maine cash tills in the fall of 2008 thanks again to some short sighted and vindictive people.

Why limit this only to hunting. Most tenderfoots get lost in the woods while "Treking" thats hiking to you all. They dont even have to buy a fish & Game licence but get to use all the resources like helicopter rescue and tie up the Game wardens resources.
I love this one. Have to admit you got me beat here................I'm definitely a city slicker used to hanging around URBAN areas like Resolute Bay, Frobisher, the Yukon & the Northwest Territories.
 

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Pricedo, well stated I think this law will hinder those of us who guide. Not only am I oppossed to this law for potentail negative economic impact, I gave up hunting Canada (Nova Scotia) for this very reason years ago. It never made sense to me that I to have a guide that in most cases had less ability than myself inand around the woods. I think if you reserched previous posts on this sight you would find most of us U.S. guides feel the same way.

Good Luck in NH this season.
 

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One important note here...... If any province of Canada or any country in the world requires US citizens to hire a guide we should in turn require them to have a guide here. The "reciprical privelege" should be the standard. The fact that Nova Scotia requires Mainer's to hire a guide....should mean that NS citizens should be required to hire one here. All exceptions should be allowed. Allow us to hunt freely in your country at the same license rates as your own? Not likely...we pay extra to be tourists. It works both ways in the real world.

Now if you are a Canadian hunter and you are insulted that you are treated as a foreign national.....wake up!!!! You are!!! Yes we rely on the crossborder trade. But most Canadians would have life very hard if they didn't shop in the USA. Yes we leave our borders open for economic gain.... and the borders run green with money moving both ways.

If we seem arrogant about our way of life... i am sorry. But this is "our" country and we know it. As far as the recession... better shop while you can. Shortly the economy will flip back and you'll lose at least 30% on the dollar again. But you'll still cross and shop.... because it's cheaper here even then. The flood of trade has never ceased here in Houlton. In fact the local walmart has set records in the state since it opened. Thanks to the constant stream of Canadians spending their paychecks here every weekend. Admittedly in recent months they have gotten more for their buck...but we still get the buck.
 

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One important note here...... If any province of Canada or any country in the world requires US citizens to hire a guide we should in turn require them to have a guide here. The "reciprical privelege" should be the standard. The fact that Nova Scotia requires Mainer's to hire a guide....should mean that NS citizens should be required to hire one here. All exceptions should be allowed. Allow us to hunt freely in your country at the same license rates as your own? Not likely...we pay extra to be tourists. It works both ways in the real world.

Now if you are a Canadian hunter and you are insulted that you are treated as a foreign national.....wake up!!!! You are!!! Yes we rely on the crossborder trade. But most Canadians would have life very hard if they didn't shop in the USA. Yes we leave our borders open for economic gain.... and the borders run green with money moving both ways.

If we seem arrogant about our way of life... i am sorry. But this is "our" country and we know it. As far as the recession... better shop while you can. Shortly the economy will flip back and you'll lose at least 30% on the dollar again. But you'll still cross and shop.... because it's cheaper here even then. The flood of trade has never ceased here in Houlton. In fact the local walmart has set records in the state since it opened. Thanks to the constant stream of Canadians spending their paychecks here every weekend. Admittedly in recent months they have gotten more for their buck...but we still get the buck.
All is not lost yet. My long deceased mum was born & raised in Houghton, Michigan, though I was born in Canada. I'll take a year off from Maine hunting while :gitrdone: I apply to the US State Department for a US passport. It'll take a while getting all the documentation together and wading through all the paperwork and well as kicking out a couple of grand for a immigration/citizenship lawyer.:gitrdone:

I don't know if the new Maine guide law has a residency requirement. I don't think it does. I think a non resident US citizen qualifies.

With the US passport in my pocket I should be good to go. Don't count old Pricedo out yet aroostookbasser.........:roflmao: Soon to be appearing on a tree stand near you........guideless.:roflmao:

Besides, if I decided to emigrate to the US as a US citizen I'd represent a remarkable improvement to the genetic pool.........chuckle.........chuckle.

We can sit around the campfire singing "This Land is Our Land"......You'll have to lead........I'm a bit tone deaf from all the bull moose calling up here in the fall.

The USA overtaking Canada's economy again with crude oil fast heading to $200 a barrel and above and 100 years worth of oil in the Alberta tar sands...........I don't think so.
 

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Freakin' "over Homers" .........

Well since it seems you'll be awhile dealing with the INS there frost back. I don't think you'll be hunting in my "area" too soon. But when you come..bring your wallet.

Oh yea, better buy some land to hunt on. Seems landowners over here are tired of flatlanders and Snow monkeys messing about and are posting the land. I already have mine secured and permissions written.

Good luck to you..hope you like Michigan.
 

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Freakin' "over Homers" .........

Well since it seems you'll be awhile dealing with the INS there frost back. I don't think you'll be hunting in my "area" too soon. But when you come..bring your wallet.

Oh yea, better buy some land to hunt on. Seems landowners over here are tired of flatlanders and Snow monkeys messing about and are posting the land. I already have mine secured and permissions written.

Good luck to you..hope you like Michigan.
Goes to show you that great minds think alike.

Almost a done deal with the land purchase in the Plymouth, New Hampshire area. I won't post it though. If too many get into that restrictive mindset then we'll all literally be hunting in our own back yards. As long as people don't garbage up the place I'll keep it open.

I have nothing against hiring Maine guides and hiring Maine outfitters as they are usually the fastrack to a big buck and save me a lot of leg work. The ones I have hired and the outfitter I contracted with last year (Oxbow Lodge) are consumate professionals & really know their business.

"Snow monkeys"..........that's a new one.........I was getting tired of "Canuck" & "Flat tail".

Once I get the US passport maybe "Yanuck" or "Canank" will work.
 

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Ya All Are Starting To Sound Like Me.....lol !!!!!
 
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