Question 1 on the Maine Ballot

Discussion in 'Welcome Mat and Lounge' started by Ithaca37, Oct 4, 2004.

  1. Yes

  2. No

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  1. I know this has nothing to do with hunting, but I thought it might spark some friendly debate. What do you think of the Palesky Tax cap proposal? Even if you aren't from Maine but are from a state with a Tax cap I would like to hear your input. :D
  2. I think I am voting yes...

  3. I logged on bit late to vote in the poll, but, yes...yes...yes!

    It would have been a good move in the direction toward the old, outdated concept of private property ownership.

    If you have to pay someone, anyone any amount of money to keep your house, do you own it? The results of the referendum show just how "the people's" thinking has drifted away from that of our nations founders.

  4. kenton6

    kenton6 Administrator

    I no longer live in Maine year round and I am not sure I fully understand the question and all its ramifications BUT
    If I understand you right Hunterinme, you are saying you want less and less intrusion into property ownership by having less and less government intervention into taking more tax dollars.
    I agree with that but I am not sure that putting a tax cap is the answer. As I said I have not studied this issue so I might be off base here. The question I have is what is the reason for seeking a tax cap? Is it because the powers that be have no fiscal restraints? or is it that people don't want to get involved in politics buy feel they are doing good by putting constraints on those they voted into office?
    Trust me when I say that government, local all the way up to the White House, needs to stay out of my business. I believe in paying a tax for certain things, which is another whole discussion, but I am paying way too much now and there are by far too many city slickers moving into Maine trying to turn it into the city just came from. Seems everyone thinks they have a right to a penny or two of my money for some damned pet project. Slice it however you like but pork is pork.
  5. Hi Kenton6,

    We can't have limited government with unlimited spending.

    Has anyone ever lost their family farm or home because of inability to pay property taxes? Many people have. Consider the following exerpt from the Maine Constitution;

    Declaration of Rights.

    Section 1. Natural rights. All people are born equally free
    and independent, and have certain natural, inherent and
    unalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and
    defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and
    protecting property
    , and of pursuing and obtaining safety and

    (emphasis mine)

    I know it's ancient, outdated, and even unpopular thinking to adhere to the principles of America's beginnings. But it is a paradox to claim to be free, yet noone owns the very home they live in.

    Just to illustrate, here's another one;

    Section 16. To keep and bear arms. Every citizen has a right
    to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned.

    Yet, carry a handgun openly in Portland and you'll be arrested.

    Explain that one?

    But, anyhow, I dislike talking politics. Hunting is a much more enjoyable subject, don't you agree?


    P.S. - if you you want to be ancient and outdated check out the Preamble;


    Objects of government. We the people of Maine, in order to establish justice, insure tranquility, provide for our mutual defense, promote our common welfare, and secure to ourselves and our posterity the blessings of liberty, acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity, so favorable to the design; and, imploring God's aid and direction in its accomplishment, do agree to form ourselves into a free and independent State, by the style and title of the State of Maine and do ordain and establish the following Constitution for the government of the same.
  6. kenton6

    kenton6 Administrator

    I am ancient and outdated. There is one thing that none of us should discount and that is the Constitution. Our founding fathers put a lot of thought into these and wrote them with the idea that what they wrote could still be considered up-to-date many years into the future. So I don't buy too much into the arguement that what the founding fathers wrote is ancient and outdated.
    And yes hunting is a better subject that politics. That's why we don't have a political forum here. :lol:

  8. I was being sarcastic with the "ancient and outdated" comment. The point I'm trying to make is if you and I hold the Constitution dear and the old ways of thinking, then we are very much in the minority. How the majority casts their votes, as in the tax cap issue, demonstrates this loud and clear.

    If a person takes an honest look at the "old" documents and contrasts what they are saying to the realities of how things are today, it should be obvious that something isn't adding up.

    How so many people can think (and vote) so purely communistic and wave the Red, White, and Blue at the same time boggles the mind. Our culture has undergone a tremendous paradigm shift.

    Imagine for a moment the townspeople of Boonesborough getting together, knocking on Daniel and Rebecca Boone's log cabin door and announcing that if they don't give them x amount of dollars every year that they would take their home away from them.

    What would Col Travis and Davy Crockett think of Chief Chitwood's antigun policy in Portland? I bet they'd wonder if their sacrifice at the Alamo was in vain.

    ...and this right shall never be questioned.

    I dunno, maybe Sen McCarthy was right? I certainly can't figure out how someone like Ted Kennedy gets elected year after year. And Maine is voting nowadays like it is northern Massachusetts. But, I'm, how about those Whitetails? Anyone heard what the seasons results are?