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Useful info to combat Dirty Liberal Anti-gun Crowd

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I will be posting a collection of various facts, court cases, and quotes that prove both the necessity of the second ammendment and the founding fathers original intent (i.e. the 2nd ammend. does not mean nat'l guard, etc.) contributions from others would be great. This thread should not be used to just bash the anti-gun crowd. I f you want to bash them and provide useful info, please do so.

Please make any contributions to this database that you can. :D
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Moose said:
Well try this one on for size just saw this on local TV Station here in NC

I'll tell you I'd tell whoever came for my guns to make sure the bring some body bags cause they are going to need them. :x

Damn straight, they had better think twice before trying that, if they come to my door, I promise you I will ruin someone's day. You know we often talk about this situation like it may happen, but his has actually already happened right here in america, read this story:

There are several local paper articles from the area that I can not locate, sorry. :D
In Warren v. District of Columbia D.C.'s highest court stated that it is a
"fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents
are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police
protection, to any individual citizen."

In McKee v. City of Rockwall, Texas the U. S. District Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit held
that "no constitutional violation [occurred] when the most that can be
said of the police is that they stood by and did nothing..."

In Riss v. City of New York the dissenting opinion of New York's high
court had this to say about the courts ruling that the government was
not at fault in denying Ms. Riss the right to defend herself by carrying
a handgun legally and also denying Ms. Riss police protection.

"What makes the City's position [denying any obligation to
protect the woman] particularly difficult to understand is that,
in conformity to the dictates of the law [she] did not carry any
weapon for self-defense. Thus, by a rather bitter irony she was
required to rely for protection on the City of New York which
now denies all responsibility to her."

Warren v District of Columbia in which three rape victims sued the city and its police department under the following facts: Two of the victims were upstairs when they heard the other being attacked by men who had broken in downstairs. Half an hour having passed and their roommate's screams having ceased, they assumed the police must have arrived in response to their repeated phone calls. In fact their calls had somehow been lost in the shuffle while the roommate was being beaten into silent acquiesence. So when the roommates went downstairs to see to her, as the court's opinion graphically describes it, "For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands" of their attackers.

Having set out these facts, the court promptly exonerated the District of Columbia and its police, as was clearly required by

[the] fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.
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Here is some food for thought:

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole body of the people except for a few public officials. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them..."
George Mason

Wait a minute, you mean the militia refered to in the 2nd ammend. is not the national guard which did not exist until the Militia Act of 1903 :shock: :shock:

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
George Washington

"A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
James Madison

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
Thomas Jefferson's advice to his 15 year-old nephew

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
Thomas Jefferson

"...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights..."
Alexander Hamilton Federalist 29

"The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry

"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops..."
Noah Webster, An Examination of The Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Philadelphia 1787

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe."
Noah Webster

"God grants Liberty only to those who live it, and are always ready to guard and defend it."
Daniel Webster

"The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and when the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
Blackstone's 1768 "Commentaries on the Laws of England"
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One more thing:

Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons
11 November 1938

With a basis in §31 of the Weapons Law of 18 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p.265), Article III of the Law on the Reunification of Austria with Germany of 13 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 237), and §9 of the Führer and Chancellor's decree on the administration of the Sudeten-German districts of 1 October 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p 1331) are the following ordered:

Jews (§5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 1333) are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.

Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.

The Minister of the Interior may make exceptions to the Prohibition in §1 for Jews who are foreign nationals. He can entrust other authorities with this power.

Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of §1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine. In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years.

For the implementation of this regulation, the Minister of the Interior waives the necessary legal and administrative provisions.

This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts.

It was for the kids. You know how dangerous those guns are in the hands of civilians. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You know it is fact that genocide is always conducted on an unarmed populous.
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Just doing what I can, I will post more as I think of it, or run across it. :D
This is some interesting info from a link in kenton6's article on gun control:

* The "Assault Weapons Ban" was enacted on September 14, 1994. The majority of Democrats voted for it, and the majority of Republicans voted against it. Bill Clinton signed it into law. (24)(19)

* This bill banned the manufacture, possession, and importation of semiautomatic assault weapons for civilian use. Guns manufactured before September 14th, 1994 were grandfathered. Guns manufactured after this date (for use by the military, police, and government agencies) must be marked with the date they are manufactured. (24)(41)(47)

* To identify an assault weapon, this bill uses objective criteria, along with a list of 19 specific guns. (24)

* For example, semiautomatic rifles which accept a detachable magazine are classified as "assault weapons" if they have two of the five following features: folding stock, pistol grip, bayonet mount, grenade launcher, threaded barrel for flash suppressor. (24)

* An assault weapon, as defined by this bill, does not include fully automatic machine guns. Since 1934, a civilian must obtain permission from the U.S. Treasury to legally own a fully automatic weapon. (3)(64)

* In April of 1999, Bill and Hillary Clinton held a press conference on gun control legislation. Hillary Clinton stated:

"And since the crime bill was enacted, 19 of the deadliest assault weapons are harder to find on our streets. We will never know how many tragedies we've avoided because of these efforts." (25)

* Assault weapons were involved in less than 1% of homicides before the assault weapons ban took effect in 1994. The same is true as of 1998. (3)

* As of 1998, about 13% of homicides involve knives, 5% involve bludgeons, and 6% are committed with hands and feet. (3)

* The Clinton administration prosecuted 4 people in 1997 and 4 people in 1998 for violating the assault weapons ban. (22)

* 1995 Fatal Accident Totals

Motor Vehicles 43,900
Falls 12,600
Poisonings 10,600
Drownings 4,500
Fires 4,100
Choking 2,800
Firearm 1,400 (1.5% of fatal accidents)

* For Children 14 and Under

Motor Vehicles 3,059
Drownings 1,024
Fires 883
Choking 213
Firearm 181 (2.7% of fatal accidents)
Falls 127
Poisonings 80

* There were 259 fatal firearm accidents for 15-19 year olds in 1995. (8)

* There were 6,319 fatal motor vehicle accidents for 15-20 year olds in 1996. (9)

there is tons of more good info on this site :
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Remington said:
By the way Hillary needs to be slapped, have I mentioned that yet? :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks for stickying this I think this could prove useful in the future, I know some of you guys post on political boards, and this could be useful to refer to for info and links to info.
That is great. :lol: :lol: It is funny how those who hate guns often are closely connected to them, such as Rosie O'donnel who has a body guard who owns a gun, must be to protect her her from us crazy gun-toting hicks. :D
I second that.

See Jefferson quote in my signature.
In light of the CA 50 cal ban, Barrett Firearms has ceased its business with the state of california and will not service any of their rifles they currently own. :D :D Go Mr, Barrett.

If you have a dial-up connection, this may take a while to load, but it is worth

US Code Title 10. Section 311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia.

That means me and any of you under 45. Does this mean I get an M16? :twisted:
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"Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Darrel Stephens presented the issue to the City Council on Monday night. He says the open display of firearms is a threat to public safety."

I suppose Mr. Stephens' officers don't openly carry their sidearms? Perhaps he could elobrate on exactly how openly displayed firearms are a threat, am I missing something?

“We’ve had four different instances in Center City where individuals have been seen carrying firearms, openly displayed in a holster, while walking down the street,” he said.

Oh my God.......four openly displayed firearms, call out the National Guard, oh wait they couldn't do anything without opnly displaying their firearms and therefore endangering the public.

“I feel a little safer knowing you have a weapon,” he said. “I don’t want anybody having a weapon, but if you have one, I want to see it.”

What? Okay, Mr. Turner, what exactly are you saying, oh wait your an anti-gun jack ass.....nevermind, I don't care.

“If it is opening a can of worms to talk about public safety and what’s in the best community interest, that’s my responsibility,” Stephens said."

Your responsibility, hmmmm.... does that mean I can shoot you if you push this bill through?
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Read this, note that none of the "crimes" involving 50cals actually involved 50cals.

I hate the VPC here's why:

"SKS assault rifles like the one reported by police to have been used in an ambush shooting on Sunday, January 9, to murder one police officer and critically wound another in Ceres, CA, are a primary threat to law enforcement, the Violence Policy Center (VPC) reported today. In 2004 at least six law enforcement officers were slain by SKSs."

Primary threeat to law enforcement? They only cite 6 deaths, I am not concerned, maybe that's because I own guns and know how to use them.

"A 2002 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) report labeled the SKS "the rifle model most frequently encountered by law enforcement officers" and stated that "these high capacity rifles pose an enhanced threat to law enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel projectiles at velocities that are capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by the law enforcement officers."

The BATFE is one of the most corrupt federal law enforcement agencies, do I care what they think of the SKS or armor piercing bullets? NO. And most police are wearing IIIA body armor which is easily defeated by an underpowered cartridge such as the 5.56 (.223).

"March 1988. An arsenal that includes a Chinese-made semi-automatic AK-47, a hand grenade, 14 other semi-automatic guns, 32-round ammunition magazines, and a handgun outfitted with a laser sight is seized from five men in New York City's Port Authority bus terminal."

A handgun outfitted with a laser, my god we wouldn't want those in the hands of civilians, much better that some jack ass who took some classes and was handed a badge. 32rd mags, my god what this world comig to, what the hell was he planning ot do with that, I would settle for nothing less than a 75rd drum.

"The MAC-11 can retail for as little as $200."

That is because it is a POS.

"The destructive power of a sniper rifle firing 50 caliber rounds is difficult to overstate. John L. Plaster, author of The Ultimate Sniper—a military and police training manual— offers the following description of 50 caliber performance: "Here's a bullet that even at 1½ miles crashes into a target with more energy than Dirty Harry's famous .44 Magnum at point-blank."

Good I want one of those 'cause when you jerk offs come to my hose I want to make sure I make your life as difficult as possible. Clearly the VPC needs to study ballistics more, comparing a handgun cartridge to a centerfire rifle is absurd.

"Accompanying the marketing of sniper rifles has been a rapid proliferation of books...with titles such as....Marine Sniper: 93 Confirmed Kills"

Hey, I read that book! It is good, I would recommend it to anyone.

" Police snipers need the capability to hit the junction of the brain and brain stem at extended distances. Hitting and destroying this point at the back of the human head with a single bullet causes the person to instantly and completely collapse without reflex. Snipers call this spot "the apricot.""

Police snipers? First of all the longest ever attempted police sniper shot was 90yds....second why do they need to be killing civilians? Oh they must just be talking about those crazys with guns, I guess shooting them is okay.

sorry this rant is so loooooooong. I just wanted to point out how rediculous they, they have no legitimate points to make, other than they are scared of Freud (who I hate with apassion) said "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
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"longest ever attempted police sniper shot was 90yds" oops, better make that 97yds, don't want to be spreading misinformation like the VPC. :lol: :lol: :lol:
"We're not infringing upon people's rights to bear arms," said board Chairman Mark Medford. "It's just a common-sense issue. We don't want to have weapons at our School Board meeting, because if someone decided to snap or got angry about a decision we make, we don't want the worst-case scenario."

Maybe if a few more of these damn school board members were shot, they would stop acting like a-holes...

Medford wrote: "Our concern is for the safety and well being of the students present at this school-related activity. Thankfully, nothing happened. But it would seem prudent to take action before a tragedy occurs.".....He immediately notified school officials and the other board members and made arrangements with the Sheriff's Office to have two deputies at the meeting.

What makes you so fearful of weapons Mr. Meford? Why would two Sheriffs deputies make you feel safe, after all they too are armed and just as likely to strart shooting as the gentleman who exercized his rights. After all the police are just people, like you and me, all people are fallable Mr. Medford. The only thing that seperates any of us from them is a badge.

"It brought up some valid points: Should a citizen have the legal right to come with a gun to a meeting like ours at a nonschool site," Medford said. "Are we a continuation of a student function because we have students and parents at our meetings on a regular basis?"

Clearly Mr. Medford is unqualified to be associated with any educational activities given his clear ignornace of the Bill of Rights, the second ammendment say "keep and bear arms", no if ands or restrictions.

"The safety and welfare of children," he said, "comes before a televised meeting."

Children my ass, you're a prissy bit** who is still living in the 1960' could not care less about the children, you actions and words demonstrate what Freud what describe as "retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
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